Navigating the Future: An Exclusive Interview with Dr. Jerry Hendrix

on Naval Presence, National Security, and America’s Global Leadership

"Naval presence is a critical concept in our current strategic approach to national security. We explicitly and implicitly depend upon it to undergird the global economic system we have spent 70 years creating, and to deter those who would make themselves our enemy. For far too long we have treated it as something that has an ephemeral value, like air that is noted only in its absence, but this research demonstrates that we can model the effects of naval presence and measure the values of various naval platforms from submarines to aircraft carriers in various environments and scenarios within the model."

Q&A With Jerry Hendrix

You are scheduled in October to release findings from your recent research on naval presence. Can you give us a preview by highlighting one or two key takeaways from your research?

First, naval presence is a critical concept in our current strategic approach to national security. We explicitly and implicitly depend upon it to undergird the global economic system we have spent 70 years creating, and to deter those who would make themselves our enemy. Second, we can “measure” its value to us. For far too long we have treated it as something that has an ephemeral value, like air that is noted only in its absence, but this research demonstrates that we can model the effects of naval presence and measure the values of various naval platforms from submarines to aircraft carriers in various environments and scenarios within the model.

Sagamore has identified national security as one of three pillars for its future research and initiatives. What role does the Midwest, and Indiana specifically, have – or perhaps, should have -- in maintaining national security?

We are called “the heartland” for more reasons than just the fact that we are the center of agriculture and manufacturing for the nation. At our nation’s core, its values and interests are very much the values and interests of the Midwest. We are not as sophisticated or nuanced as the coasts. In fact, we deliberately avoid sophistication and nuance in our approach to the world and each other. We have a commonsense pragmatism in our decision making that extends to defense and national security issues, and it’s important in a time when the world is increasingly dominated by “gray zones” of conflict, that people who still favor the sharp distinctions between right and wrong to have a voice in our national dialogue.

How concerned should Americans be about the U.S. military’s ability to respond effectively to possible Chinese aggression toward Taiwan or another one of our allies in the western Pacific? Does the Navy have the resources it needs to protect American interests in the region?

We have spent 70 years building a global economic system based upon a few key concepts, which include a belief in democratic governance, the right of self-determination, and free trade. Supporting these concepts has been a foundational belief in the concept of the free sea, the ability of nations, ships, and peoples to cross the open sea unmolested, moving goods in bulk from where they can be manufactured cheaply to markets where those products are in such demand as to command a profitable price. China’s threat to democratic-capitalist Taiwan threatens all these values, as it represents not only the “might makes right” approach to foreign policy of the traditional authoritarian state, but also the desire to dominate of a centrally controlled communist economy. If China were to succeed in conquering Taiwan, it threatens not only America’s interests in the far east, but also the legitimacy of the global economic system that we have built, which has lifted more people out of poverty than any other system in the history of the world. Currently the United States has sufficient capabilities to hold China at bay, but my report demonstrates that this could change in the blink of an eye through subtle shifts in global perceptions of American sea power.

We’ve recently seen China and Russia strengthen its economic and diplomatic ties. A joint Russian Navy and People’s Liberation Navy flotilla also sailed near Alaska and the Aleutian Islands in August. What do you make of these developments in terms of America’s national security?

The joining of China and Russia, along with their interactions with other authoritarian states such as Iran and North Korea, represents a modern “Pact of Steel” that is like the alignment that occurred between Germany, Italy, and the Soviet Union in 1939. It should be alarming to all of us and certainly the recent naval exercise near the Aleutian Island chain off Alaska is concerning. They both recognize and have targeted the United States and its espousal of freedom as representing a threat to their authoritarian forms of government and centrally controlled economies. It’s also clear that they have questions about the current strength and resolve of our national will to oppose them and are seeking to test and probe us to ascertain how likely we are to resist them if they move against Chinese claims over Taiwan or Russian claims in the Arctic. However, as in the case of the original “Pact of Steel” there are long-standing historical and cultural tensions between the participants, particularly China and Russia, that can be stimulated through various means, including naval demonstrations, and that will eventually drive them apart. It must be remembered that while Hitler and Stalin had a non-aggression treaty at the beginning of World War II, eventually the dynamic tensions between the governing philosophies of German National Socialism and Russian Communism drove them apart, and Stalin soon joined the western alliance. Properly guided, a wedge can be driven between Russia and China, but probably not until Vladimir Putin is replaced in Moscow.

In April, The Atlantic published an article you wrote that had a provocative headline: “The Age of American Naval Dominance Is Over.” The subhead went on to say that “we can no longer take freedom of the seas for granted.” Those sound like alarming developments. How would you summarize reactions to the article that you heard from defense and military insiders? Do many of them share your concerns?

That was not the headline of the essay in the print magazine. It was the headline used online, and it was selected to promote interest in the essay (“click-bait” is the term of art I believe). The headline in the print version was “America’s Future Is at Sea,” and I think that better represents the arc of the argument within the essay itself. The essay generated a lot of interest, especially on Capitol Hill where members and their staffs reached out to me to discuss one idea within it — the “Ships Act” — and how that might be brought into being. These requests have come from both sides of the aisle. I have also had a series of presidential candidates as well as staffers from the current administration reach out to me to clarify the largest theme of the essay, that we can no longer afford to attempt to be both a continentalist land power with “boots on the ground” everywhere in the world, and the governing global seapower, administering the vast global economic system that we have built. I have argued that now is a time for choosing, and that we should make a conscious decision to prioritize sea power in our approach to national security.

If the U.S. has forfeited naval dominance, how should our nation’s leaders respond? Is it a matter of building up the number and types of naval ships? Or is it investments in new technologies? Or a combination of both?

We have not forfeited naval dominance. While China’s navy is larger than ours quantitatively, ours is better qualitatively, but our margin of superiority is shrinking rapidly and could be gone in the blink of an eye. We need to grow our Navy, but it should not look like the Navy we have today. We need to make major investments in missile laden submarines, unmanned systems (sub-surface, surface, and aerial) and new hypersonic missiles. We should take a serious look at a number of legacy systems, to include our nuclear aircraft carriers, and determine if they have maintained their relevance in future fights. We do need to maintain an ample supply of surface combatants such as our new Constellation-class frigates, because they will provide the day-to-day presence that is so vital to deterring our adversaries, but we must work to find the “Nash equilibrium point” between high-end war-winning capabilities and low-end peace-preserving capacities. This is one of the reasons that my report and the model it contains is so important in our current national dialogue.

What is your response to those who no longer think it’s critical to U.S. interests to maintain a dominant Navy? Why, from your perspective and experience, are they wrong?

We are very much an island nation, located upon a continent that is separated from the vast majority of humanity that lives on the large Eurasian “world island,” as described by H.J. Mackinder a century ago. We are a Mahanist people, a seapower nation, that must deal with Mackinder’s continentalist peoples, and the sea is both our ally and our enemy in this endeavor. If we cede the sea, we are lost as a great power. If we control the sea, we gain the ability to exert the influence of the periphery against the center that allowed first Great Britain and then ourselves to govern the world without dominating the world. We must strengthen ourselves at sea because our adversaries, who support centrally controlled authoritarian states that are opposed to individual liberties, have correctly seen the sea and the control of it as their path to global hegemony.